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		<title>By: Dave Stein</title>
		<link>http://davesteinsblog.esresearch.com/2009/02/16/a-high-level-sales-call-gone-bad-really-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-1429</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comment, Michael.

Excellent points. I agree with you on the last sentence as well.  There are times, however, when buyers--especially powerful ones like this--will test you or try to intimidate you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment, Michael.</p>
<p>Excellent points. I agree with you on the last sentence as well.  There are times, however, when buyers&#8211;especially powerful ones like this&#8211;will test you or try to intimidate you.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Boyette</title>
		<link>http://davesteinsblog.esresearch.com/2009/02/16/a-high-level-sales-call-gone-bad-really-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-1428</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Boyette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this buyer was either (1) testing you or (2) had some reason to believe he could live without you (e.g., a better offer from another vendor).  With a buyer like that, you don&#039;t have much to lose by pushing back: &quot;Well, that&#039;s interesting. Tell me why we should give you a 40% discount.&quot;  He might say:

I can get it cheaper elsewhere.
I think your margins are too high.
I don&#039;t have the budget.
It&#039;s not worth it to me at 100%, but it is at 40%. 
Because I said so. 

You can have a discussion about the first four. You can walk away for the last one. You don&#039;t want him as a client. 

Chances are, though, you couldn&#039;t have won this sale anyway. The buyer clearly had another option in his or her back pocket, or didn&#039;t want it in the first place. If he really needed what you&#039;re selling, he&#039;d have treated you better than this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this buyer was either (1) testing you or (2) had some reason to believe he could live without you (e.g., a better offer from another vendor).  With a buyer like that, you don&#8217;t have much to lose by pushing back: &#8220;Well, that&#8217;s interesting. Tell me why we should give you a 40% discount.&#8221;  He might say:</p>
<p>I can get it cheaper elsewhere.<br />
I think your margins are too high.<br />
I don&#8217;t have the budget.<br />
It&#8217;s not worth it to me at 100%, but it is at 40%.<br />
Because I said so. </p>
<p>You can have a discussion about the first four. You can walk away for the last one. You don&#8217;t want him as a client. </p>
<p>Chances are, though, you couldn&#8217;t have won this sale anyway. The buyer clearly had another option in his or her back pocket, or didn&#8217;t want it in the first place. If he really needed what you&#8217;re selling, he&#8217;d have treated you better than this.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Stein</title>
		<link>http://davesteinsblog.esresearch.com/2009/02/16/a-high-level-sales-call-gone-bad-really-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-462</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, David.  Thanks.

Ah, if I could do that meeting again, with what I know now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, David.  Thanks.</p>
<p>Ah, if I could do that meeting again, with what I know now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Stargel</title>
		<link>http://davesteinsblog.esresearch.com/2009/02/16/a-high-level-sales-call-gone-bad-really-bad/comment-page-1/#comment-459</link>
		<dc:creator>David Stargel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

Definitely a tough one, don&#039;t know that you guys did anything wrong.

One thing that I always attempt to do in a situation like this is to do as much &quot;research&quot; inside the company as possible before a meeting with a new executive.

It&#039;s tough in a situation like you had with no relationship with Leo.  But here are a few thoughts:

Perhaps seek out all of your strongest supporters within Bostik to see who knew or had any relationship with Leo and what background you could gather on his personality, how he approaches vendors, his current disposition towards Datalogix and IBM, etc.

Also possibly see if someone within Bostik might have developed a relationship with one of Leo&#039;s direct reports and could sponsor you to that person.  They might have been able to coach you on how to approach the meeting with Leo.

No magic answers, but just  thoughts on what could help in this kind of situation.

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>Definitely a tough one, don&#8217;t know that you guys did anything wrong.</p>
<p>One thing that I always attempt to do in a situation like this is to do as much &#8220;research&#8221; inside the company as possible before a meeting with a new executive.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s tough in a situation like you had with no relationship with Leo.  But here are a few thoughts:</p>
<p>Perhaps seek out all of your strongest supporters within Bostik to see who knew or had any relationship with Leo and what background you could gather on his personality, how he approaches vendors, his current disposition towards Datalogix and IBM, etc.</p>
<p>Also possibly see if someone within Bostik might have developed a relationship with one of Leo&#8217;s direct reports and could sponsor you to that person.  They might have been able to coach you on how to approach the meeting with Leo.</p>
<p>No magic answers, but just  thoughts on what could help in this kind of situation.</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Stein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Von,

Nice to hear from you...

Jim didn&#039;t select the time, Leo did. We would have been delighted to take him out to lunch.  That wasn&#039;t an option.

For those readers who would like to see some additional comments on this post, you should go to &lt;a href=&quot;http://thecustomercollective.com/TCC/29495#0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Customer Collective&lt;/a&gt;, where this post was republished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Von,</p>
<p>Nice to hear from you&#8230;</p>
<p>Jim didn&#8217;t select the time, Leo did. We would have been delighted to take him out to lunch.  That wasn&#8217;t an option.</p>
<p>For those readers who would like to see some additional comments on this post, you should go to <a href="http://thecustomercollective.com/TCC/29495#0" rel="nofollow">The Customer Collective</a>, where this post was republished.</p>
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		<title>By: Von Peterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Von Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 04:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave -

I haven&#039;t worked with Europeans much in my career, and when I have, it&#039;s been on US turf.  However, I wonder if you didn&#039;t miss an opportunity to build the  relationship with Leo a little more by not taking him to lunch just prior to your meeting.  A simple thing, but sometimes guys like Leo just want to feel important,  and a lunch at your company&#039;s expense might have been just what he was expecting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave -</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t worked with Europeans much in my career, and when I have, it&#8217;s been on US turf.  However, I wonder if you didn&#8217;t miss an opportunity to build the  relationship with Leo a little more by not taking him to lunch just prior to your meeting.  A simple thing, but sometimes guys like Leo just want to feel important,  and a lunch at your company&#8217;s expense might have been just what he was expecting.</p>
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		<title>By: jefflogden59</title>
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		<dc:creator>jefflogden59</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a tough one.  Undoubtedly, one could have done a better job of knowing the psyche of the person with whom you are going to meet.  However, part of sales is dealing with difficult people like this.  For instance, maybe a personalized, hand written &quot;thank you&quot; note might have made a difference.  But then, maybe not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a tough one.  Undoubtedly, one could have done a better job of knowing the psyche of the person with whom you are going to meet.  However, part of sales is dealing with difficult people like this.  For instance, maybe a personalized, hand written &#8220;thank you&#8221; note might have made a difference.  But then, maybe not.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill at Meeting to Win</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill at Meeting to Win</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am going to think about this one.  At first pass, this illustrates to me that no amount of experience and planning can overcome the &quot;human factor&quot; in some cases.  Sometimes there is a built in bias.  It&#039;s nice to try to figure that out in advance and, even then, it may run too deep to tackly in a one hour meeting.  I&#039;ll be thinking about this one today. Thanks for sharing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going to think about this one.  At first pass, this illustrates to me that no amount of experience and planning can overcome the &#8220;human factor&#8221; in some cases.  Sometimes there is a built in bias.  It&#8217;s nice to try to figure that out in advance and, even then, it may run too deep to tackly in a one hour meeting.  I&#8217;ll be thinking about this one today. Thanks for sharing!</p>
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